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Casey Anthony: How to Explain Her Skull Fixation

March 10, 2009

This is a full transcript from the March 9 episode of “On the Record” with Greta Van Susteren featuring a discussion about the recently released documents surrounding the case and some interesting insight into Casey Anthony’s  skull fixation.

There is some interesting dialogue in this interview between Van Susteren and those involved in the case and I know that we typically have a very lively discussion so please feel free to live your thoughts/comments.

As I said on a previous post, we’ve seen the crime scene photos as well as all the other evidence. What do you think?

Circumstantial case or is there enough evidence to convict? I know that many say that emotion doesn’t determine a case, but I’ve seen it happen before.


From Fox News:

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Just when you think the Caylee Anthony murder case cannot get any weirder, it just has. Caylee’s mother Casey sits behind bars, charged with her daughter’s murder.

As you probably remember, a meter reader found Caylee’s skull in December just blocks from the house the toddler was living in. Now we are learning that weeks after Caylee’s disappearance, Casey began collecting photographs of skulls and sketches of kissing skeletons.

Joining us by phone is former LAPD homicide detective Mark Fuhrman, and in Orlando, Florida, defense attorney Diana Tennis.

Mark, first to you. Boy, it’s peculiar, is it not?

MARK FUHRMAN, FORMER LAPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: It is really strange, and I would like to know the source of the sketches and the pictures of skulls, Greta. But sometimes it is just coincidentally things that people do fall into something that they’re involved with. And sometimes they’re not connected, sometimes they’re directly connected.

But it does none get much stranger than this case, I agree with you.

VAN SUSTEREN: Diana, what do you make of this, and is this sort of a weird distraction for the rest of us to be consumed with it, or does it have some sort of evidentiary value for the prosecution?

DIANA TENNIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I suppose they’re going to try to make a lot of what a bizarre coincident this is.

But even if this were some sort of telling sign, it would have been months prior to the body being discovered or the body even potentially being reduced to skeletal remains.

And I do not know that I give this particular woman the foresight to see that far down the road, whether she had something to do with it or not.

So I think it is creepy, but I do not know that I put a whole lot of weight on it.

VAN SUSTEREN: I guess the plot thickens with that aspect to it.

Let me turn then to the issue of her ex-boyfriend, Tony Lazarro, Mark, who was wired by police and cooperated with police — not that he was in any trouble. I don’t mean that he was in any trouble.

But he was wired by the police and then went and spoke to Casey’s brother. What did the police get out of that?

Watch Greta’s interview

FUHRMAN: Well, I don’t know if they knew what they were going to get out of that, but I think that they have Tony, that either because of guilt that he didn’t know what was going on, that his suspicion or his belief that Casey actually killed her daughter or was responsible for her death.

Or there is some other mitigating factor that the police were able to convince Tony wear a wire.

I think it is good police work that they actually go with as many places as they can, because they really do not know what is going to turn up, because they are still looking for a cause of death. Even though they have declared in a homicide, they would like to fill in between the point the child was last seen in the trunk of the car decomposing and then where she was ultimately found.

VAN SUSTEREN: Diana, there are 1,100 pages of discovery that were recently released, and in reference to part that they had some discussion about what Tony got when he talked to Lee.

One of the things that I thought was interesting, not that there seems to be much question, but it says Lee Anthony-that’s the brother of Casey- said to Tony, the ex-boyfriend, that Casey Anthony never said anything about a nanny.

Although, however, he thought recalled a Zenaida how hung out at the Anthony home. And you know that Lee is going to be put on the stand and this whole Zenaida thing will just be put to rest, right?

TENNIS: I would be curious to see in the transcript of that conversation. I am not sure what terminology was used during it, but he did say that he remembered a Zenaida being at the home.

And it was obvious that her brother Lee, talking to this insider, and he did not know they were being tape-recorded, so obviously, Lee let down his guard a little bit, and still, I believe in his heart of hearts, believes his sister.

So I thought was kind of interesting. I thought it was interesting to see kind of a snapshot of the investigation.

In July 2008, they were obviously in overdrive, because at that point everybody had their suspicions, but they did not have a body, they did not really have a lot. And they were really going, as Mark pointed out, covering all of the bases and then some to try to come up with something.

VAN SUSTEREN: Go ahead, Mark.

FUHRMAN: Greta, you know what was interesting, when I sat down to talk to Lee last August in 2008, he was–in my impression–he was very, very convinced that Casey either knew or was involved in the disappearance of Caylee Anthony, and I don’t believe that he believed that his niece —

VAN SUSTEREN: The story —

FUHRMAN: The fact of what he was presenting when he decided that he was going to do his own investigation, I think actually put himself on the police radar right at that moment, because he was actually, in some regards, obstructing justice.

VAN SUSTEREN: Mark, Diana, thank you both very much.


Casey Anthony: Newly Released Documents Analysis “On The Record”

February 19, 2009

This is a full transcript from the February 18 episode of “On the Record” with Greta Van Susteren featuring in-depth analysis of the newly released documents in the Casey Anthony case.

There is some interesting dialogue in this interview between Van Susteren and those involved in the case and I know that we typically have a very lively discussion so please feel free to live your thoughts/comments.

As I said on a previous post, we’ve seen the crime scene photos as well as all the other evidence.

Will this be enough to convict Casey?

From Fox News:

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: In my hands I’m holding hundreds of pages of newly released documents in the Caylee Anthony murder case, the contents disturbing at best.

There’s new information about specific clues found at the scene where Caylee’s duct-taped skull was found, and that’s just the beginning. Joining us live is Adam Longo, reporter for WKMG Radio.

Tell me, Adam, what do these new documents show?

ADAM LONGO, REPORTER, WKMG RADIO: Greta, there are several things that these documents point out, namely there’s talk about duct tape that was found wrapped around little Caylee’s skull. Apparently the authorities have been able to match that same brand of duct tape to a piece of duct tape found in the Anthony home.

Of course, it’s not absolutely conclusive if this is the exact same duct tape, that according to defense sources tonight.

We call also tell you that there’s information in these hundreds of pages of documents about a friend of Casey Anthony’s. There’s also new information about the meter reader who found Caylee’s body in December.

Apparently back in August he reported to friends of his that he was standing with, that hey guys, look other there, it looks like a skull. And then two days later a deputy came out and said “Mr. Kronk, we think you’re wasting the county’s time.”

And then, of course, it was four months later when he did actually make that discovery.

So in going through all these documents today, we did find that there is a big effort on the part of law enforcement to try to trace items found at the crime scene there when Caylee’s body was found and try to trace them back to times recovered at the Anthony home that was searched twice, once just later that day after the remains were discovered. Greta?

VAN SUSTEREN: Has there been any response from the defense team after this latest document dump? The public does, under Florida law, get to see this, but have they responded to these documents?

LONGO: Right. And, actually, for the first time, we’ve seen a concerted effort by the part of the defense to reach out and try to talk about some of this discovery that was released today.

They are calling it, quote, a lot of the forensic tests that are contained in here, they’re calling it “junk science,” and they’re also saying it’s very important to point out that nobody’s fingerprints were found on the duct tape that was recovered that was wrapped around Caylee’s skull. They say that there’s much to be learned from what’s in these documents, and also what’s not in them.

VAN SUSTEREN: You say that there’s no finger prints on the duct tape. There’s rather one unfortunate piece of information for the defense on that, and on the duct tape around the babe’s skull was an imprint from a heart-shaped sticker.

LONGO: Right.

VAN SUSTEREN: And according to another document I have, when they searched the home of Caylee Anthony, they found a sheet of multicolored heart-shaped stickers which had been cut in half. So it’s not like these stickers were remote to the child.

LONGO: Right. The defense is pointing out tonight, though, that the heart sticker found at the crime scene is not the same as the sheet of stickers that was found at the Anthony home.

Also, if you look, there are two c.d.’s that were handed out to us today from the clerk’s office containing some 700 pictures.

And while there might have been an impression of the heart shape on the duct tape they’re saying was wrapped around Caylee’s mouth, the sticker was actually not fixed to any duct tape. It was found attached to a piece of cardboard. There is a photo of that there at the scene.

And, again, defense sources are saying that’s not the same sticker as any of the stickers that were recovered from inside the Anthony family home.

VAN SUSTEREN: Any idea how Casey Anthony is doing in jail?

LONGO: The jail will not release certain things about her emotional state or how she is doing, as you put it.

But we have learned, again from this discovery today, apparently on the day when it was discovered that her remains were located and when she was notified, she apparently had some sort of nervous breakdown there in jail and had to be medicated. And that’s really the last we’ve heard anything about her emotional condition behind bars.

VAN SUSTEREN: I don’t think we could read anything into it. That could be a sign of a guilty person getting caught or an innocent person being stunned by the shock of finding a child murdered, right?

LONGO: And that’s for the analysts to say, not for me.

VAN SUSTEREN: That’s the least of her problems. It’s more the forensic evidence that may come back to haunt her and give her lots of problems.

Adam, thank you.

Watch Greta’s interview

Former LAPD homicide detective Mark Fuhrman joins us live. Mark, have you looked through any of these documents, and your thoughts?

MARK FUHRMAN, FORMER LAPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: I have. And I thought it was insightful, some of the comments that the reporter made and yourself.

The one thing that stands out for me is there is one thing that is very hard to have a coincidence-that cloth laundry bag that was found at the scene was a certain brand. It had a brand tag inside, it was cloth, and it was inside of a black plastic bag, which, obviously Caylee Anthony was inside, or her remains.

Inside the Anthony home in the laundry room there was the same brand, same type, size, color cloth bag that was inside of a black plastic bag, supposedly to be used for laundry.

Now, there is such a flow of this investigation. Let’s not forget that on June 16th, that is when Casey Anthony actually backed her car into the garage, and that is also the day that she borrowed a shovel.

And all these items we’re seeing recovered and identified in the Anthony home are coming from the Anthony home and in a certain area that we know Casey Anthony was not only at, but she borrowed a shovel from the neighbor.

VAN SUSTEREN: The defense will, and I’ve done this myself, when you’re trying to poke holes in the prosecution’s case, which is the job of the defense lawyer, talks about that these are just coincidences.

The problem is, though, is that when you have so many coincidences that it’s really hard not to — it’s a problem. You have the duct tape coincidence. You have the laundry bag coincidence. You have the sticker coincidence. You have the lies, no concern, not reporting the child.

That’s the problem. If it was just one thing, Casey wouldn’t have such a problem. But the problem is there are so many things.

FUHRMAN: Greta, and the biggest problem that the defense has is the lie that Casey Anthony comes up with, was Zenaida Gonzalez.

Some of these things can be a coincidence, but when you put all the blame onto your nanny, Zenaida Gonzalez, who was fictitious in her role as the nanny for Casey Anthony taking care of Caylee, and then having that person never be at the Anthony home yet acquire all these items that they’re finding inside the Anthony home in an innocent state, and then finding them at the location of the final resting place of Caylee Anthony.

But I want to say that the Orange County sheriff’s department has identified three crime scenes. One is the Anthony home, where they believe and I believe that that’s where the homicide occurred. That is where the first disposal of the body either went from that home or in a close vicinity of that home.

And then the final resting place was, of course, in some period before the 27th when the car was dumped, that the decomposing body of Caylee was put in the car, and that evidence was left in the car.

So all these problems, the defense doesn’t just have one crime scene problem that Casey’s connected with, or even two. They have three.

And I would agree with you. The coincidence starts becoming not only not believable, it starts creating the motion picture of a murder, and I think that’s what we have in this case.

VAN SUSTEREN: And I imagine having to explain all of them away.

But the other thing too is that her parents will also be called to the witness stand, and they have some information that no doubt is going to be — go ahead.

FUHRMAN: Greta, when you bring up Cindy Anthony and their testimony. When they did the search warrant in December, about a week after the discovery of Caylee Anthony’s remains, they were looking for certain items that they were trying to identify things from the Anthony home.

And one was a Winnie the Pooh blanket that was supposedly found at the scene that had been faded from the weather. And Cindy Anthony had made a spontaneous exclamation that we’re missing a Winnie the Pooh blanket of Caylee’s.

Now, that doesn’t get any better for testimony than that. They are not asking-they make a statement of what they’re looking for, and she states it’s missing. I think that’s another powerful pieces of evidence.

VAN SUSTEREN: Mark, thank you.

FUHRMAN: Thanks, Greta.

Casey Anthony’s Defense Spokesman a Felon?

February 2, 2009

I swear. Not a day goes by that something in this case jumps up and makes me say “huh???”

Take a look at this article from the Orlando Sentinel and give us your thoughts.

State of California

Credit: State of California

From the Orlando Sentinel:

The spokesman for Casey Anthony‘s defense attorney — a man who admitted to the Orlando Sentinel last week that he’s using a fake name — stated today that it doesn’t matter that his company was founded by a man who spent time in prison for attempting to extort a journalist.

The spokesman who calls himself Todd Black did not name the company founder in a statement he e-mailed today, though he has earlier told the Sentinel it is a man named Gil Cabot.

The statement was released the same day the former FBI agent who investigated Cabot in the late 1980s told the Sentinel he thinks Black’s voice sounds the same as Cabot’s on recordings he listened to.

In 1990, Cabot was convicted of attempting to extort $30,000 from television journalist Jann Carl. According to reports, prosecutors said Cabot called Carl and told her that nude photos of herself would be sold to a magazine unless she made the payoff. According to California records, Cabot served five years in prison.

Former FBI agent and polygraph expert Jack Trimarco just told the Sentinel he listened to 16 hours of Cabot’s voice as part of his investigation in the Carl case.

He recently listened to statements Black made to the media and said both voices sound the same to him.

“I know that man’s voice,” Trimarco said. “That’s Gil Cabot.”

When a Sentinel reporter pressed Black on Thursday for more information on his identity, Black said the newspaper was wasting its time.

“It is an absolute lie that I am Gil Cabot,” Black said

Black, who operates under the corporate banner of Press Corps Media, has declined all requests to be interviewed in person. But he has said that the parent company of Press Corps Media, Arrested Media, was founded by Cabot.

He has said the Cabot is not involved in day-to-day operations of the company.

Court records show the Carl case was not Cabot’s only brush with the law. In the late 1990s, Cabot was charged with 18 counts of attempted extortion and extortion-related charges in the Los Angeles area.

Records state he pleaded in that case, most of the charges were dropped, and he was sentenced to three years probation. He had to write letters of apology to the victims: Ricoh Corporation, Carl’s Jr. and Airtouch Cellular.

A 1989 Los Angeles Times article states Cabot posed as another anchorwoman’s husband and used an actress’s name to obtain appliances and a car. The article states Cabot was arrested when he posed as the anchorwoman’s husband and bought $800 worth of suits. The charge became part of a 1982 grand theft case against Cabot. The article states Cabot was placed on probation but violated it, resulting in a 2-year prison sentence.

In his e-mail, Black stated, “It simply DOES NOT MATTER if our company was founded by a gentleman who spent time in prison over twenty-five years ago, especially since that distinction is a key selling point that brings credibility to our services assisting celebrities, politicians and others charged with a crime.

“It simply DOES NOT MATTER that when he sold the company in 1996 he remained a consultant, just like it simply DOES NOT MATTER that security names are assigned to our company staff. Turning a prison experience into a successful business deserves respect, and in fact -mainstream news broadcasters and publications regularly employ as experts formally convicted individuals; G.Gordon Liddy, John Dean and Mark Fuhrman, to name a few. Working crisis media cases isn’t fluff public relations, and in high profile situations using security names is required by Press Corps Media for employee safety.”

In the 1989 Los Angeles Times report on Cabot, he was described as a con-artist and Hollywood predator.

He has ties to Tampa and multiple entertainment companies.

In a 2004 Internet listing for a company called Story Brokers, which lists its contact as “G.A. Cabot,” the description states: “Acquires true-story properties and partners with actor-owned production companies for actors to star in or produce/direct.”

Another company Cabot has ties to is called Watsup Productions, where he is listed as an officer/director in annual Florida corporate filings.

Faxes that Watsup Productions sent the state of Florida for its filings appear to come from the same place as Black’s Anthony-related press releases.

Caylee Anthony, One Tree Hill Connection?

December 29, 2008

This is a VERY long post but it’s the full transcript from the December 26 episode of “On the Record” with Greta Van Susteren (Guest host Jamie Colby) discussing a connection between the Caylee Anthony case and the television program “One Tree Hill”.

There is a lot of  interesting points brought by those on the show. I know that we typically have a very lively discussion so please feel free to live your thoughts/comments on what role, if any, this television show had on the murder of Caylee Anthony and the alibi of her mother, Casey Anthony.

From Fox News:

JAMIE COLBY, FOX NEWS GUEST HOST: A big question tonight–what role did the TV show “One Tree Hill” play in the death of Caylee Anthony? Authorities are looking very closely at one episode in particularly, alleging Casey did some research on Google about a nanny kidnapping on the hit TV show. Could that be where Casey’s alibi about nanny-snatching came from?




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I’m not going to church.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jamie, you know I love you. Don’t you trust me?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am really getting worried right now.


COLBY: Let’s bring in our panel. Tonight, Florida prosecutor Pam Bondi and criminal defense attorney Jeff Brown joining me in Florida. It’s good to see you guys. And the former LAPD homicide detective Mark Fuhrman is joining us by phone.

Mark, you first. They take her computer, Casey Anthony, and they probably find a ton of stuff. But if they find this episode that this show, that she searched it, and there is a nanny alibi, a nanny plotline, is it relevant to an investigation?

MARK FUHRMAN, FORMER LAPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: Jamie, after everyone lay the investigative groundwork, I think it becomes relevant in the context of timelines and when. If that is researched as basically the same time as chloroform and other things that she is reaching out on the Internet, I think it becomes relevant.

And that it becomes irrelevant if it is all by itself, because it certainly could mean something, but you’re not going to be able to prove it, whether by a detective or a prosecutor.

COLBY: Pam, is it admissible as a prosecutor?

PAM BONDI, PROSECUTOR: Yes, Jamie, and for the reasons that Mark just said. If it fits into that timeline–this is a completely circumstantial case, and the prosecutors are going to have to lay out a very detailed timeline. Every little thing she did has to piece together to prove this crime.

And I think it could have a great impact on a jury given all the other things that she researched on the Internet. If it fits into that timeline it could be very damaging to her, one more thing that is going to be very bad for Casey Anthony.

COLBY: Jeff, she told a lot of tales. They followed up on every lead for a potential nanny. With this in mind, if a jury sees an episode like this, knows it is on her computer, and knows that Zenaida(ph) Gonzales does not exist, how as a defense attorney do you talk your way out of that one?

JEFF BROWN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think first of all you have to admit that your client made some lies, she lied. We’re not convicting, though, because she is a lawyer.

But we do not know in what context this show was shown with others. Maybe she downloaded every episode of “One Tree Hill.” Maybe she is looking a lot of different shows on there and they’re just singling in on this particular one.

So we need to put it all in context. And maybe when you look at everything that is on our computer, there is not just one thing. There are a lot of shows and you can’t pick on this one in particular.

But there is no doubt in the beginning the defense lawyer will have to say that my client told some lies, and she is covering up for someone else that committed this crime because she did not want harm done to her daughter. But that is not a reason to convict her.

COLBY: Mark let me ask you, because when a prosecutor has a case like this, they often hope that they will find the remains of the deceased because there might be potential evidence, either to seal the fact that this suspect was involved, or that there might be somebody else.

I find it so hard to believe that they can already come to the conclusion, and this is what the coroner said, that there is no additional evidence to be derived from toxicology or otherwise that will answer any of those questions.

What are your thoughts on that?

FUHRMAN: Jamie, we have a lot of cases that are 20 or 30 years old that we said the same thing, and then lo and behold DNA came about. So there are probably things in the work that might be able to take things to the next degree as far as the science.

But let’s look what they have. The suspect in this, which is Casey Anthony, most probably kept the police and the coroner and the medical examiner from being able to determine a cause of death simply because she failed to actually tell the truth in any regard, at any time.

So I think it is very difficult when you of skeletal remains and you’re left with whatever hair and whatever tissue is left, and then bone marrow. And if any drug is not stored, if that particular drug or mineral or poison is not stored in the bone marrow or does not show the hair or the hair is not good enough quality, then you’re kind of trapped.

But it is a homicide. There are not a lot of people that die of natural causes that after death put themselves in garbage bags.

COLBY: Mark, I have to ask Pam one question before we go on some startling news today on the Jon Benet Ramsey investigation. Pam, a new district attorney comes in and says we’re going to take another look. Why?

BONDI: I think there is always going to be pressure on any D.A. until that case is solved. And this is clearly still a cold case. I think the best thing that has come out of it is that the Ramseys themselves were cleared, but that the family Ramsey family deserves justice.

And I think all that is really going to happen now Jamie is they’re just going to wait until one day they hopefully get a hit somewhere around the country in a DNA bank. The DNA register is growing constantly, every day that DNA bank grows. And so maybe one day they will have a hit and this case can finally be closed.

COLBY: News today that they do plan on taking another look. Perhaps some answers will come from that.

Panel, thanks very much. It’s good to see all of you.

BONDI: You too.